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The Liquid Logic Deuce Coupe

The Liquid Logic Deuce Coupe

The Deuce is a refreshing new addition to family friendly kayaks! We needed a boat for the family that I could paddle solo and/or with the wife and 2 kids. I was amazed at the choices out there. Many claimed versatility. The Deuce at 13 feet and three seats won our hearts over the Malibu 2 XL, the Tarpon 130 t, and the Hobie Kona Deluxe and Odyssey. Liquid Logic’s Deuce can be paddled by the kids on the lake or at the beach. If they flip it over, no worries. The Deuce is a sit on top with very large scuppers. Just right the boat and the water drains out those scuppers very fast and the kids can climb in and keep paddling. So… I don’t have to fire up the motor boat and play David Hassleoff to rescue the kids anymore! The capacity is over 450 lbs, so its easy for me at 220lbs to paddle with the wife and one or both of our small kids, or with our son who is 12. Lots of combinations here with the three seating positions and multiple foot wells. There is also a stern gear well for a cooler or for our little one. We tried other boats like the Tarpon 130 T and Malibu 2 XL. A lot of tandem sit on tops do all the same things, they are stable and track (go straight). …and are boring to paddle! It seemed all the family boats were designed in Detroit! Just more of the same….a big rotomoled “ keel” to keep the boat locked into only going straight. We found that those big keels prevent mobility and easy turning ability. We chose the Deuce because it is highly stable, easier to turn, and tracks incredibly well. The Deuce has a drop skeg. I think it’s the only sit on top with a drop skeg. When the skeg is deployed its holds a true line even in the wind. Something no other sit on top can claim. I love the skeg! I also like that when solo paddling it is just so lively. It just paddles like a performance kayak not just the average beach toy, like so many of the other boats in its price range. I wouldn’t even consider buying other sit on tops to take down the river. The Deuce is based on Liquid Logics Remix Whitewater river running series, so the performance is there on moving water as well as flatwater. On Solo days without the kids, I’m running some pretty good class 2 and little class 3 rapids. The river adds a level of adventure to going boating. There are some little waves and eddi lines to paly on that flipped the other sots like the Tarpon and Malibu. When the skeg is down on the lake, I can cruise and keep up with friends in their decked touring boats. This skeg is like magic, it just locks the Deuce into holding a line for crossing the lake. Nobody thought I would be able to keep up with the longer sea kayaks, but in the Deuce I can! This is the only sit on top with a drop skeg and its so worth it. It’s like getting two boats for the price of one! A comfortable flat water boat that tracks and is stable, but also a performance boat that you can run rivers and take to the beach to surf. We got the “Wedge seating system “and it is very comfy and recommend the thigh straps for increased control for moving water or coastal paddling. . This is the “best of the best” for tandem/solo/triple sit on tops.
-A happy customer


Specs:

  • 13 feet long
  • 33 inches wide (max width)
  • 65 lbs
  • Optimal paddler(s) max weight 450
  • Tandem, triple, or solo paddling

Pros:

  • The Deuce Coupe has the same stable hull as the Remix XP series. The great thing about the XP is that it does as well on the Grand Canyon, as it does on local pond.
  • With a maximum recommended weight of 450 lbs, the Deuce Coupe can handle a heavy load. 2 grown adults can paddle it quite easily.
  • Whether it’s the ocean, river or lake,the Deuce Coupe will perform. It’s got a drop skeg for enhanced flat water tracking and speed, a river running hull that’ll bomb through moderate whitewater, and scuppers (drain holes) to drain out water,  in the ocean. If a beach break crashes on you…no worries.
  • 13 feet of length and a forgiving hull will make you feel like you are paddling an old school river runner. This thing is fast! Drop the skeg and it’s even faster.
  • TONS of storage! Load up your cooler,  dry bag and a couple of beverages (up to 5) and head off to your favorite beach or camp for a good time!  
  • The Deluxe DVC seating is AWESOME! Liquid Logic boats are known as the most comfortable whitewater boats on the planet. The DVC follows this tradition…and then some. It is basically an integrated seat, back band, hip pads and thigh bolsters(the wedge). This system allows whitewater paddlers to hop into the Deuce, and feel just like they are paddling in a whitewater boat. There is enough support to edge and turn the boat. It’s  SOTBAO (Sit On Top Bad Ass Outfitting)!
  • Did I mention that the coupe has 5 beverage holders?
  • Take the Deuce to the beach. Drop the skeg and tour along the shore or to a good break. As far as surfing goes, put your best stern draw / rudder stroke in the water, and you will be able to surf this thing till the sun goes down. 13 foot of boat will allow you to catch waves that whitewater kayakers and short board surfers could only dream of getting on. Plus, if you steal a surfers’ wave and they get mad, you will have 5 drinks and a cooler on board.You’ll make some new friends guaranteed.

Cons:

  • Since the Deuce is 13 feet long, it may take some finesse to get it down a low volume, narrow creek. The upside to 13 feet of boat, its that it generates tons of hull speed which will get you through sticky water features that may hang up shorter/slower kayaks and rec boats. If it’s a smaller boat that you need, get the Coupe.
  • The Deluxe DVC Seating System is hella expensive, but worth every penny. If you can afford it, get it. If not, LL makes a DVC seat that is more basic for a lot less $$$. It’s still comfy, but does not have as much support.
  • If you are a big person and are buying the Deuce Coupe as a solo, keep in mind that it is a big boat to carry. Fortunately, LL is making a wheel that attaches to the rudder area. This will make it easy to drag.

The Verdict:

The Liquid Logic Deuce Coupe is a very unique water craft. It is one part white water boat, one part recreational sit on top, and one part barcalounger. One of the best features of the boat is the drop skeg. The combination of a rudder and whitewater hybrid hull design allows the Deuce Coupe to be paddled in almost any body of water, ranging from oceans, rivers and ponds, to swimming pools. At 13 feet long, the Coupe can be paddled as either a solo or tandem;perfect for the active family looking for ONE boat to satisfy everyone’s needs. 5 cup holder’s ain’t bad either.

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Grand Canyon Mojo. TR by Ted Keyes.

Grand Canyon Mojo

No river trip is the same, and you’re never the same after any river trip. Getting on a Grand Canyon River Trip is always something special. Grand trips are so many things. There’s the big water challenge, but each rapid has a moderate and easy line and can be portaged easily in a kayak. There are amazing hikes, climbs, and hidden treasures to be discovered and epic views of rock, sun, water, stars and moon. The delight is the wilderness setting amongst the camaraderie of friends and the love of your Grand Canyon Family. Take the Grand trip as far as you can, you’re alive and living. You are out there….in the backcountry and it is serious. It’s the chance for total escape of the world…..Check out time!

15 of us just paddled the Grand Canyon, 226 miles from Lee’s Ferry to Diamond Creek in about 12 days…all by kayak. We came to love our XP’s…. our homes for 12 short January days.

12 days is a short trip by most standards…long enough to see the sights, surf the waves, and hike up the side canyons, but without the extra work and cost of raft support. Most of us just wanted to see if it could be done. Just get there with your boat and a trip to the grocery store, Liquid Logic has got the rest covered. Just hop a jet if you have to and get to Flagstaff…. meet up with Ted….were waiting on ya…


The Park Service has regulations for solid waste disposal…aka GROOVER. Woody designed a killer Groover for the Remix XP. He built them ahead of the trip for each of us, and they are perfect fit for this down river mission in the G.C. national Park. . Your own private Grand Groover consists of some Glued up 8 inch PVC Pipe, sealed on one end and threaded screw cap (water tight) on the other. Disassemble your bow pillar and cut out a template. Two cam straps hold everything in place and this design doesn’t take a lot space out of your boat. And its cheap, $35 materials and can be built in less than hour.

Pack up your friendship rings… cause this XP Train is leaving….

Preparing for a 12 day kayak trip without a mother ship raft to support us was a lot easier than I thought. Just be able to pack extra warm winter gear like down jackets, down booties, tents, tarps, or bivy’s and a winter sleeping bag. Then there is food. Just think light and make it lighter. Or pack the essential gear, and stock up on your favorite good eats that will fit in the kayak after everything else in packed!

"There are many groovers but this one is mine!"

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“Grover Essentials’ that don’t need explaining in most western Cultures”

The 2nd biggest Park Service Requirement on the grand is having a fire pan. Boyce made a break down firepan out of Alum plates and angle iron shapes for the stakes and frame, and a Kevlar fire blanket as a liner. This gear was split up and carried between 2 to 3 boats and doesn’t weight a lot, I think at least 60% to 75% less weight than a traditional steel fire pan that rafts carry.

I filled my groover with plastic bags of Charcoal. Keeps the stink down. This way you can cook the freshly caught trout and grill over it the fire pan, and it helps start a raging campfire a lot faster, especially when the wood might wet or raining or just to warm up faster. Fires can also help you dry the outside of your drysuit or any wet clothing before you take it off. A rolled up dry drysuit makes a nice pillow and a dry warm dry suit can take the edge off chilly river mornin’s.

“Its always polite to stare here”

Now that the biggest Park service required gear is met, time to get that boat packed. Packing for a 12 day self support can be a little intimidating. But with a little planning and the right boat (bigger the better for the only ditch that is one of the 8 wonders of the world! For this Mission, we choose our Liquid Logic Remix XP ‘s. XP’s are bigger than your average whitewater boat at 10 feet 2 inches with a rear hatch and bulkhead. The rear hatch gives you easy access to the largest compartment of the boat. It’s a lot easier to open a big hatch and pack and unpack gear than from most whitewater kayaks that we’ve been using, where the only access is behind the seat and behind a back band. Having a “big”hatch in a kayak really helps packing larger bags and gear into the boat.

Small end bags like Watershed Futa’s can easily slide into the stern, I like how they fill the shape of the boat and offer more flotation for swims. Sea 2 Summit Compression dry bags compress all your clothes, tent, sleeping pad and sleeping bag to half their normal size, sometimes even less! Fill the rest with Jet Boil stoves, fuel cans, water filter, first aid kit. Etc. More room for heavy items or Watershed Ocoee dry bags behind the back band. The XP has a water bottle holder in the seat between your legs, but instead pack a thermos for hot drinks or soups there. The XP doesn’t have a bulkhead, it has foot pegs. So its easy to get some more storage bags like two more Watershed Futa’s or three Ocoee’s or just simple roll closure bags. Some of us had plastic Jars with watertight screw lids for nuts, rasins, trail mix or misc gear items. Anything that this watertight will work when packing an XP! I took out my foot pegs and arranged the bags to be my foot rests. Worked fine and I didn’t have to hassle moving the pegs around to get the bags out. I think I gained some more storage this way too. The Remix XP can swallow big helpings of gear like the CU football team at the training table. It’s a little strange to look at a whitewater boat with a hatch on the stern deck and a mini cell foam bulkhead. Not to worry, this system works and works well. It’s the future of self support trips like the Grand Canyon. Multi days….bring em on!

The “model” Grand Canyon Load out!

Paddling a big boat in big water can be challenging. First….any wave catching is a bonus! You can t expect to play your way down the river in a January multiday trip. But it was surprising how easy the Remix catches waves loaded or not. It’s big and wide and supports paddler and gear weight very well. It’s also got to be the easiest Whitewater boat to roll on the market. Which I found out when I tried to get aggressive on the waves…ooops! Heavy boats take longer to turn, carve, respond, so you have to adjust your paddling style a bit. A big bonus is how a loaded boat can punch through a big hole. With so much more mass, you don’t have to paddle that much harder to get the momentum needed to get through holes and big transverse waves and diagonals…just T them up and take them on! With a bigger boat, go for the bigger waves! We got some serious surfs at the bottom of Lava, Crystal, and other huge waves that would be premier on most runs, but everywhere on the grand. Lot of these waves are just too big, fast, and so far from the eddies that only a longer boat can catch. I don’t think I will ever take a boat under 8 feet on the Grand Canyon. The Trade off for big green wave surfs in a long boat outweighs the limited small hole riding in a small boat. Take a long boat on the grand and catch more waves, take a short boat and watch everybody in long boats catch all the waves…you dig?

Mike Hipshir's been down in the ditch a time or 2. HUGE thanks to Mike for all of his Grand Canyon knowledge. He made the trip A LOT more enjoyable for everyone.

Another plus to taking a big boat like the XP on the Canyon is that there is a lot of flat moving water and flat slow water. The Remix XP has the rocker profile and hull shape of a whitewater kayak with moderate bow rocker in an oversized package ie wider, longer, more volume. Just like powder ski’s for backcountry…fat to float a heavier load. The REMIX XP Bow is shaped with a little more “V”, so the bow holds your line while cranking through the flats. Also, a rear skeg at the end of the boat can be deployed to assist tracking. A Skeg (pronounced sk-egg not pronounced SKAG ( a very older women that goes after a “Pup” (a pup is cougar bait) A skeg is a just a simple blade that drops from the boat’s stern into the water much like a Fin on a surfboard. It is fixed like a surfboard fin and does not have any moving parts like a rudder. When a skeg is down, it helps the boat go straight. When your Skeg is down, you don’t need to make a lot of correctional strokes. It’s those moments on flat water …as your bow goes yawning off to the left or right that can be frustrating. With the XP skeg down, you can relax and just let the forward strokes fly and make time to the next wave, rapid, side canyon hike, or paddle in high gear to get to camp before the sun goes down.

Take a short boat and you should have your head lamp ready cause you’re going to get left in the dust in the pools. Another benefit of the XP skeg placement is that you can play the swirls, eddies, and whirlpools better than shorter boats. You just don’t experience the spin outs that you do in smaller boats. The Colorado flows at 11,000 to 19,000 cfs…that’s big pushy water with whirlpools that make squirt boaters cry out for “MAMMA! I wanna go home” The XP skeg makes it easier to hold your angle and charge through just about any boil, whirlpool, swirly, etc. The Skeg is also spring loaded so if you hit a rock or drag up on the beach, the skeg will just slide back into the skeg box. But its also operated by a lever outside your spray skirt. So, in the rapids and surfs, or when you need the maneuverability just turn the lever to stow the skeg. We did notice that on waves, put the skeg down and lock yourself into a really stable surf with a roster tail! Yeah man, skeg roosting!

skeg roosting.

Losing my mind surfing in Lava

Bottom line, is that the Remix XP is the boss of self support big or small water. The XP owns Rivers, so go for it!

Other than the huge whitewater and canyon scenery, the Grand Canyon offers some of the best hiking opportunities in the west. Just about every drainage and creek has a trail to something special.

Deer Creek

The Grand Canyon Geology Course is a PHD’s wonder, the Anasazi ruins and petro glyphs are an archeologist mystery, and the change in vegetation from desert to year round rain forest lush is strikingly unexpected to any naturalist. You can experience everything the Grand Canyon has to offer from a self support kayak trip. You don’t need a month off work and big raft and thick wallet for the trip anymore. The XP can get it done!

XP Livin’…..lose yourself in the Grand Canyon ;-)

Dave and Lisa...Post trip A+W. There's more calories in Dave's burger and fries than in his food rations for the entire week...Is his chair really small?

Here’s Dave bombing the gut of Crystal(ie.big ass hole) in the XP10

Campingbykayak.com Kayak Camping Guide from Lunch Video Magazine on Vimeo.

This is a really cool video about kayak camping. It has some footage of this GC trip, as well as good info on overnighters.

http://kayakcamping.amongstit.com/

-Ted

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